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剛看到saw用戶的感受....
The other day I decided to try and warm up a mix down by running it through a Great River preamp. My I/O was Lavry Blue converters with Mogomi interconnects. I placed the mixes side by side (with the ITB SAW mix) on the SAW timeline and level matched them by ear. The mix did sound "warmer" however upon a closer listen the stereo feild was not as wide and the high end was not as "crisp" & the low end was a little muddy. Has anyone else experienced simular results? In general to me the ITB SAW mix sounded so much better. Being an old analog guy I think my ear / tastes have changed to digital. Funny because a few weeks ago I was sprucing up the studio. I have an album in a frame on the wall (from a project that I did in the mid 80's) that I was changing the frame to. So before placing it in the new frame I fliped it on the turntable to listen. I hated the sound quality compared to CD. To be honest it has been a long long while since I listened to a record. Can't say that I am missining anything.
Joe
(等好心人...)
Joe
(等好心人...)
软件翻译。。。。。。。。。。。
最近我决定尝试和给混合加热下来由跑它通过一台巨大河前置放大器。我的I/O 是蓝色交换器与Mogomi 互联的Lavry 。我肩并肩安置了混合(以ITB 锯混合) 在锯时间安排并且水平匹配了他们由耳朵。混合听起来"warmer" 但是在更加接近听立体声feild 不是作为宽并且高末端不是作为"crisp" & 末端是一少许泥泞的。有任何人有经验的simular 结果? 总之对我ITB 锯混合更好非常听起来。是一个老模式人我认为我的耳朵/口味改变了到数字式。滑稽因为几个星期前我修剪演播室。我有册页在一个框架在墙壁上(从项目我做了在中间80's) 那我改变框架。如此在安置它之前在新框架我fliped 它在转盘听。我恨品质优良与CD 比较。是诚实的它是长的长期当自从我倾听纪录。我missining 任何东西的Can't 言。
乔
乔
STEVE 的回覆...
Joe -
With 2 track analog processing nearly always you want to absolutely use the highest quality signal path possible (which often means the simplest one also) for the end results to be satisfying. There's a good reason that the vast majority of mastering engineers don't use mic pres in their process chain in that they tend not to be the cleanest way to go. There's also good reason that most ME's have invested serious bank in their dedicated analog eq's and compressors in order to have them actually yield results that sound better than just staying in the digital realm. I wish this wasn't so as it would have saved me a ton of money (i.e. I just put $1000 into upgrading all the capacitors in my Medici eq and replacing the pots on its input gain stage with stepped switches - probably more cash than people usually put into their entire years' plugin budget) but I've found that for me it's a necessary price to pay if I want to get the results I desire.
I love the sound from my analog processors for doing the "heavy lifting" of any major eq or compression on the 2-bus - BUT if you like the sound of a digital mix from the get go and just want to do very subtle processing changes then staying in the digital realm in general will help maintain this better than doing a loopback. With mastering you've got to let the track dictate what processors you use - and for excellent mixes sometimes the absolute best thing to do is nothing! Anyway - there is indeed reasons that most ME's also have digital procesing options (usually TC6000 or Weiss for most high end facilities - although more and more folks are getting over what used to a be a taboo against doing DAW based processing since they've advance so much recently) along with their analog gear so that they can stay completely in the digital realm when this suits the track better.
Anyway - in general any time you darken a mix slightly (i.e. make it "warmer") you'll get a sense of a narrower image - opening up some area in the upper mids or highs or doing a low mid cut will usually give a perception of things being "wider." A subtle boost of the Side channel to counter any narrowing (which can also happen if things are being compressed) can also help to maintain the width of the image.
The other thing is it sounds as if possibly the processing changes made were not the best choices for the track if on a level matched a/b the original source sounds better. I'm just guessing here as it's impossible to make these decisions without actually hearing the tracks - but if the the top end needs some subtle "warming" but the end results are narrower and muddier sounds like you need to counter the top end cut with a subtle broad midrange boost and/or a subtle low midrange cut.
Joe -
With 2 track analog processing nearly always you want to absolutely use the highest quality signal path possible (which often means the simplest one also) for the end results to be satisfying. There's a good reason that the vast majority of mastering engineers don't use mic pres in their process chain in that they tend not to be the cleanest way to go. There's also good reason that most ME's have invested serious bank in their dedicated analog eq's and compressors in order to have them actually yield results that sound better than just staying in the digital realm. I wish this wasn't so as it would have saved me a ton of money (i.e. I just put $1000 into upgrading all the capacitors in my Medici eq and replacing the pots on its input gain stage with stepped switches - probably more cash than people usually put into their entire years' plugin budget) but I've found that for me it's a necessary price to pay if I want to get the results I desire.
I love the sound from my analog processors for doing the "heavy lifting" of any major eq or compression on the 2-bus - BUT if you like the sound of a digital mix from the get go and just want to do very subtle processing changes then staying in the digital realm in general will help maintain this better than doing a loopback. With mastering you've got to let the track dictate what processors you use - and for excellent mixes sometimes the absolute best thing to do is nothing! Anyway - there is indeed reasons that most ME's also have digital procesing options (usually TC6000 or Weiss for most high end facilities - although more and more folks are getting over what used to a be a taboo against doing DAW based processing since they've advance so much recently) along with their analog gear so that they can stay completely in the digital realm when this suits the track better.
Anyway - in general any time you darken a mix slightly (i.e. make it "warmer") you'll get a sense of a narrower image - opening up some area in the upper mids or highs or doing a low mid cut will usually give a perception of things being "wider." A subtle boost of the Side channel to counter any narrowing (which can also happen if things are being compressed) can also help to maintain the width of the image.
The other thing is it sounds as if possibly the processing changes made were not the best choices for the track if on a level matched a/b the original source sounds better. I'm just guessing here as it's impossible to make these decisions without actually hearing the tracks - but if the the top end needs some subtle "warming" but the end results are narrower and muddier sounds like you need to counter the top end cut with a subtle broad midrange boost and/or a subtle low midrange cut.
原帖由 himhui 于 07-9-16 11:40 发表
STEVE 的回覆...
Joe -
With 2 track analog processing nearly always you want to absolutely use the highest quality signal path possible (which often means the simplest one also) for the end ...
小弟認為級進式音量控制 ( Stepped Switch ) ( Stepped Attenuators ) 對任何工程也同樣重要，不單只是 Mastering Engineers 才有需要應用，只是做 Mastering 的工程師在工作過程中比較容易了解它的重要性，國外甚至有做 Mastering 的 Engineer自己 DIY。
一些有電子電路經驗及要求高的工程師也有機會採用上。
伺服器的連線速度真慢................
[ 本帖最后由 dabeat 于 07-9-16 14:37 编辑 ]