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头一回耐心地琢磨了一回Nuendo,叫我这个Sam2496的铁杆有些动摇了。

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#1 03-10-4 02:49

头一回耐心地琢磨了一回Nuendo,叫我这个Sam2496的铁杆有些动摇了。

我以前一直用2496,因为我觉得它容易掌握,很直观友好。但我刚刚试着玩了会Nuendo后,恕我无知啊,反正我就是很兴奋。要是说2496很稳重塌实,那么我觉得Nuendo很神,神到无法拿2496解决的问题Nuendo却给我轻而易举地解决了。虽然2496和Nuendo都是软件,但用Nuendo录音却让我有一种用硬件录音的感觉,它的设计理念是很纯粹的硬件理念(如果电脑足够快,那么你就会更充分体会到这一点)!用2496和别的录音软件录音时,我调整录音电平都要通过外界硬件调整(音源上的音量旋钮或声卡面板上的旋钮),而Nuendo竟然能够从它的调音台上直接控制输入电平,真神啊!还有好多好多叫我兴奋的地方,说不完!呵呵,大家别怪我少见多怪,我是确实头一回认真触摸Nuendo的啊!
为了Nuendo,我终于打算升级电脑了,再添一块UAD-1,不知P4 2.4G和1G DDR够不够用啊????

但是Nuendo有一点不如2496-----波形没有2496以及其他软件直观,看不习惯,呵呵!!

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#2 03-10-4 03:43
那个输入音量调节是数字式的,而且是破坏性处理的,因此对声音是有损害的。当然会有一部份人会对此感到兴奋,但明白人都清楚这是没有什么必要的。

正因为如此所以专业声卡都不提供输入音量调节功能。这并不是故意不给你提供这个功能,而是为了最大限度地保证音质。

在数字录音中,非破坏性处理已经是大势所趋。这次 Nuendo 逆潮流而动推出破坏性处理,估计是为了迎合一些习惯于破坏性处理的人的需要……

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#3 03-10-4 03:58
哈...驴有意见!

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#4 03-10-4 11:01
多玩玩别的,对自己没坏处的,世界很大,还有让你更兴奋的呢!

2065
#5 03-10-4 11:34
虽是破坏型处理,但也对我这样没有用硬件台子的人提供了方便,我的声卡控制面版上的旋钮拧起来劈啪乱响,估计进的灰尘太多了,电位器有些毛病。等我用上了台子再解决“破坏”的问题吧!
还没有人给我回答呢?用好Nuendo我该配多高的机器?

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#6 03-10-4 20:46
现在的就完全够用了。

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#7 03-10-4 20:51
效果不能用太多
我的电脑比你的配置低,1。6G,640内存,在牛在直接成品,感到不太够用,就省着用

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#8 03-10-5 09:48
我用P4 2.4C+1G/DR400双通道感觉很不错......

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#9 03-10-5 17:10
最初由 较真 发布
虽是破坏型处理,但也对我这样没有用硬件台子的人提供了方便,我的声卡控制面版上的旋钮拧起来劈啪乱响,估计进的灰尘太多了,电位器有些毛病。等我用上了台子再解决“破坏”的问题吧!
还没有人给我回答呢?用好Nuendo我该配多高的机器?


你这个用法和硬件压缩与软件压缩一样的道理,声音如果太大,进了声卡就破了,在NUENDO里再调小也没用。

在电平问题上,硬件方便多了,超一点无所谓,只要在最后合成时将总电平控制在0dB就行了。

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#10 03-10-6 01:00
我也有同感!

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#11 03-10-6 20:49
驴请看:

Setting input levels
When recording digital sound, it's important to set the input levels correctly - loud enough to ensure low noise and high audio quality, but not so loud that clipping (digital distortion) occurs. When you record, clipping can occur in two places in the signal path:

In the audio hardware, when an analog input signal is converted to digital format.

If the analog signal is too loud, it cannot be represented properly in a digital format (there will be no headroom). The result is clipping.

When the audio signal is written to an audio file after passing through the input busses.

Since you can adjust levels, add EQ or effects in the input busses, it's possible to make the signal too loud at that stage. Again, the result will be clipping.

For this reason, you may need to check the input levels "in two steps":

Checking the signal level coming into the audio hardware
To check the level of the "unprocessed" signal coming into the audio hardware you need to switch the level meters to "Input VU". In this mode the input channel level meters will show the level of the signal at the input of the bus, before any adjustments such as input gain, EQ, effects, level or pan:

1. Right-click in the Mixer window.

The Mixer context menu appears.

2. Select the VU-Meter Settings submenu and make sure "Input VU" is activated.

3. Play back the audio and check the level meter for the input channel.

The signal should be as loud as possible without exceeding 0 dB (the Clipping indicator for the input bus should not light up).

  

The Clipping indicator.

4. If necessary, adjust the input level in one of the following ways:

Adjust the output level of the sound source or external mixer.

Use the audio hardware's own application program to set the input levels, if this possibility is provided.

See the documentation for the audio hardware.

If your audio hardware supports the ASIO Control Panel function, it may be possible to make input level settings.

To open the ASIO control panel, open the Device Setup dialog on the Devices menu and click the Control Panel button on the Setup tab for the VST Multitrack device.

Instead of switching the level meter mode you can add an extra input bus using the same audio inputs (see The VST Connections window) and use this bus solely as a signal level meter (with "Post-Fader VU" mode always selected). This bus should then always be "zeroed" (gain and level set to 0.0 dB, no effects or EQ added) to show the level of the input signal.

Checking the signal level after the input bus
Internally, Nuendo processes audio at 32 bit float resolution, which makes it virtually impossible for clipping to occur. However, when the signal is written to a file on disk clipping can occur, depending on the selected record format (bit depth):

If you record in 32 bit float format the bit depth will not be reduced - which means there's no risk of clipping at this stage.

Also, this preserves the signal quality perfectly. Therefore, you should consider using 32 bit float format when you are recording with effects (see Recording with effects).

If you record in 16 or 24 bit format the available headroom is lower which means clipping can occur if the signal is too loud.

To avoid this, set the signal level in the following way:

1. Bring up the mixer context menu and select "Post-Fader VU" from the VU-Meter Settings submenu.

2. Set up the input channel, adding EQ and/or effects as desired.

With some effects you may want to adjust the level of the signal going into the effect - use the Input Gain knob for this (note that you need to press [Shift] or [Alt] to adjust the Input Gain).

3. Play back the audio and check the level meter of the input channel.

The signal should be as loud as possible without exceeding 0 dB (the Clipping indicator for the input bus should not light up).

4. If necessary, use the input channel fader to adjust the signal level.

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#12 03-10-6 21:00
结论是:录音时选择32Bit浮点,音质影响完全可以忽略

2234
#13 03-10-6 21:03
最初由 驴半仙 发布
那个输入音量调节是数字式的,而且是破坏性处理的,因此对声音是有损害的。当然会有一部份人会对此感到兴奋,但明白人都清楚这是没有什么必要的。

正因为如此所以专业声卡都不提供输入音量调节功能。这并不是故意不给你提供这个功能,而是为了最大限度地保证音质。

在数字录音中,非破坏性处理已经是大势所趋。这次 Nuendo 逆潮流而动推出破坏性处理,估计是为了迎合一些习惯于破坏性处理的人的需要……


PulsarII提供输入音量调整

这应该不算什么逆潮流的举动.Nuendo2的所有的音频内部处理精度都是32Bit浮点的,不存在非破坏性和破坏性的区别。

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#14 03-10-6 21:14
32bit跟这是两码事。

非破坏性处理意思是所有的中间过程都暂不处理,要等到最后导出时才处理。

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#15 03-10-6 21:33
对阿,现在Input Bus的音量电平,怎么跟非破坏性处理搭上关系了?

调节输入音量推子应该属于Nuendo2的内部数据运算吧
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