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BOB竟然在用百灵达ADA8000??
http://www.sawstudiouser.net/for ... ght=live+monitoring
这个人问BOB你为什么用那么便宜的硬件设备呢，平均每个CHANNEL的话放才15块
下面是BOB的回答:
Listening to high-end converters that cost thousands of dollars in pristine listening conditions just do not offer enough sound difference for my taste to merit the cost... then buried under the room effects, mic phasing and artifacts, the band blasting stacks of distorted guitar amps, the drummer bashing away at the cymbals, etc... I think my money can better be spent elsewhere, or kept neatly tucked away in my bank account thank you... The ADA8000 is awesome... it is clean... no ground hum... no splatting when hit hard... etc... what else does it need to do... the fact that it is $230 for 8 channels is unbelievable... without a doubt, the best value on the market.
As you can see, I never follow the crowd when it comes to anything about digital audio... I never followed the crowd when it came to analog audio either... I use my ears... I experiment with what I can afford... then make music.
I have been fortunate to play with the high-end gear in many pro studios on the West Coast during my 35 year audio career... I've built and owned 3 studios during that time also... I designed and hand built my own audio consoles... hand etched my own circuit boards... etc...
Up to a point, I feel you can hear a difference... that point has been passed long ago... all the hype about this preamp having .002 harmonic distortion and this one being better at .0015 distortion... sorry... I just don't buy it...
I mean, how many of you have run out to purchase Monster Cable for your nearfield monitors... did you believe that hype... better bass response in a 20 foot long cable run... I have some ocean front property for sale here in Nevada if you're interested.
I remember doing the demo recordings that landed a few record deals for some singers and bands that went on to have very successful recording careers... I did those with Tascam 4 track and 8 track machines and handfuls of Shure Microphones.
I remember being invited to LA during the tracking session for one of these bands that got signed... there I was sittting in the back of the Control Room in a very prestigious LA studio... I watched with horror as the engineer surrounded the drumkit with about a dozen Neuman mics worth well over $25,000.... just the drums... the sound was horrendous... I could not believe my ears... surely he would adjust this in the final mix... well... he didn't... the drums sounded like they were recorded in the hallway with a pillow over the mics... $25,000 worth of mics... heck I did the demo recordings, which I felt were much more exciting and rich sounding, with less than that much investment for all the equipment in my entire studio.
So I learned early on... its not the gear... its the technique and the skillset you bring to the table... sure the equipment has to work well... you don't want to fight the gear during the process... but owning the high-end gear does not necessarily produce high-end recordings...
The ADA8000 units give us all a great chance to have the ability to do incredible work in our garage studios with a small investment... coupled with an RME and SAWStudio... we all have the ability to have the equivalent of studio's costing hundred's of thousands of dollars... right there in our garages... its awesome.
You have all heard me argue many of the industry ideas... floating point... dither... high-end converters... etc... but I also offer more than just a mouthfiul of arguments... I offer some of my recording work for all to listen to and decide for themselves... if you like what I produce and feel it stands up to or surpasses other recordings that you feel are top notch... then you get the chance to realize... there's more to it than high-priced gear.
Use your ears... decide for yourselves... don't get caught in the hype... if I can record at 44.1k and 16 bits with no dither and you can put my CD projects up beside your favorite famous recordings and feel the sound is as good or better, then perhaps you can realize for yourselves that much of what the industry is telling you may not be so.
I have to laugh at how many tell me how expensive SS is when it actually brings a 72 stereo track recorder, a 72 stereo track fully automated console with very high-end eq and compressors and gates on all channels, a synced video playback system, full digital editing capability... etc, to the table and then in the next breath tell me about the new 2 channel converter they just bought for $9000.... pretty absurd sounding from this side of the fence, I must say(BOB,L)
上面是BOB的原话，大家来看看啊,强阿 我无语了。
( Alchemist, Bob L, sawstudio forum "OT: Bob, why are you using ADA8000s? "<http://www.sawstudiouser.net/for ... ght=live+monitoring>)
这个人问BOB你为什么用那么便宜的硬件设备呢，平均每个CHANNEL的话放才15块
下面是BOB的回答:
Listening to high-end converters that cost thousands of dollars in pristine listening conditions just do not offer enough sound difference for my taste to merit the cost... then buried under the room effects, mic phasing and artifacts, the band blasting stacks of distorted guitar amps, the drummer bashing away at the cymbals, etc... I think my money can better be spent elsewhere, or kept neatly tucked away in my bank account thank you... The ADA8000 is awesome... it is clean... no ground hum... no splatting when hit hard... etc... what else does it need to do... the fact that it is $230 for 8 channels is unbelievable... without a doubt, the best value on the market.
As you can see, I never follow the crowd when it comes to anything about digital audio... I never followed the crowd when it came to analog audio either... I use my ears... I experiment with what I can afford... then make music.
I have been fortunate to play with the high-end gear in many pro studios on the West Coast during my 35 year audio career... I've built and owned 3 studios during that time also... I designed and hand built my own audio consoles... hand etched my own circuit boards... etc...
Up to a point, I feel you can hear a difference... that point has been passed long ago... all the hype about this preamp having .002 harmonic distortion and this one being better at .0015 distortion... sorry... I just don't buy it...
I mean, how many of you have run out to purchase Monster Cable for your nearfield monitors... did you believe that hype... better bass response in a 20 foot long cable run... I have some ocean front property for sale here in Nevada if you're interested.
I remember doing the demo recordings that landed a few record deals for some singers and bands that went on to have very successful recording careers... I did those with Tascam 4 track and 8 track machines and handfuls of Shure Microphones.
I remember being invited to LA during the tracking session for one of these bands that got signed... there I was sittting in the back of the Control Room in a very prestigious LA studio... I watched with horror as the engineer surrounded the drumkit with about a dozen Neuman mics worth well over $25,000.... just the drums... the sound was horrendous... I could not believe my ears... surely he would adjust this in the final mix... well... he didn't... the drums sounded like they were recorded in the hallway with a pillow over the mics... $25,000 worth of mics... heck I did the demo recordings, which I felt were much more exciting and rich sounding, with less than that much investment for all the equipment in my entire studio.
So I learned early on... its not the gear... its the technique and the skillset you bring to the table... sure the equipment has to work well... you don't want to fight the gear during the process... but owning the high-end gear does not necessarily produce high-end recordings...
The ADA8000 units give us all a great chance to have the ability to do incredible work in our garage studios with a small investment... coupled with an RME and SAWStudio... we all have the ability to have the equivalent of studio's costing hundred's of thousands of dollars... right there in our garages... its awesome.
You have all heard me argue many of the industry ideas... floating point... dither... high-end converters... etc... but I also offer more than just a mouthfiul of arguments... I offer some of my recording work for all to listen to and decide for themselves... if you like what I produce and feel it stands up to or surpasses other recordings that you feel are top notch... then you get the chance to realize... there's more to it than high-priced gear.
Use your ears... decide for yourselves... don't get caught in the hype... if I can record at 44.1k and 16 bits with no dither and you can put my CD projects up beside your favorite famous recordings and feel the sound is as good or better, then perhaps you can realize for yourselves that much of what the industry is telling you may not be so.
I have to laugh at how many tell me how expensive SS is when it actually brings a 72 stereo track recorder, a 72 stereo track fully automated console with very high-end eq and compressors and gates on all channels, a synced video playback system, full digital editing capability... etc, to the table and then in the next breath tell me about the new 2 channel converter they just bought for $9000.... pretty absurd sounding from this side of the fence, I must say(BOB,L)
上面是BOB的原话，大家来看看啊,强阿 我无语了。
( Alchemist, Bob L, sawstudio forum "OT: Bob, why are you using ADA8000s? "<http://www.sawstudiouser.net/for ... ght=live+monitoring>)
这是最搞笑得，BOB在洛杉矶一个顶级录音棚看到一个强人，用了十几根狃曼来录一个鼓，结果录出来的确是垃圾
"I watched with horror as the engineer surrounded the drumkit with about a dozen Neuman mics worth well over $25,000.... just the drums... the sound was horrendous... I could not believe my ears... surely he would adjust this in the final mix... well... he didn't... the drums sounded like they were recorded in the hallway with a pillow over the mics... $25,000 worth of mics..."
寒一下，听了BOB得话 我陷入了久久的沉思。
"I watched with horror as the engineer surrounded the drumkit with about a dozen Neuman mics worth well over $25,000.... just the drums... the sound was horrendous... I could not believe my ears... surely he would adjust this in the final mix... well... he didn't... the drums sounded like they were recorded in the hallway with a pillow over the mics... $25,000 worth of mics..."
寒一下，听了BOB得话 我陷入了久久的沉思。
有幾點值得注意:-
1) lon bronson 的現場CD 是用sawstudio+laptop+RME+ada8000以四十軌以上完成, 而且是高質素。如果在錄音室製作相信水準還會有上調空間。
2) bob 的 35年 錄音、母帶處理經驗毫無疑問是值得參考和學習, 他合作過的其中也是當年一線歌星及製作人員, 而實際上他的功力亦在這CD亦表露無遺。
3) 他用過很多大型console, 也曾用過和擁有過很多昂貴的機器, 他沒有神化ada8000, 只是說出ada8000的真實能力和性價比都比大家心目中所感覺要好。 這提醒了我們要提個人高監償與判斷能力。
4) 他很早已確認了關鍵不再於機器, 而是在於技巧。
5)他沒有說昂貴的機器不好, 只告訴大家要考慮貴上幾倍或十倍的實際上只能有10-20%效能回報, 有些甚至不到, 視乎自己能力而買之, 不要只受廣告影響。
6)另一方面亦給予一些資金不足的朋友們注射了一劑很有力的強心針, 對他來說, 沒有什麼名牌不名牌, 只有適用和實用的。
[ 本帖最后由 himhui 于 2006-5-19 15:58 编辑 ]
1) lon bronson 的現場CD 是用sawstudio+laptop+RME+ada8000以四十軌以上完成, 而且是高質素。如果在錄音室製作相信水準還會有上調空間。
2) bob 的 35年 錄音、母帶處理經驗毫無疑問是值得參考和學習, 他合作過的其中也是當年一線歌星及製作人員, 而實際上他的功力亦在這CD亦表露無遺。
3) 他用過很多大型console, 也曾用過和擁有過很多昂貴的機器, 他沒有神化ada8000, 只是說出ada8000的真實能力和性價比都比大家心目中所感覺要好。 這提醒了我們要提個人高監償與判斷能力。
4) 他很早已確認了關鍵不再於機器, 而是在於技巧。
5)他沒有說昂貴的機器不好, 只告訴大家要考慮貴上幾倍或十倍的實際上只能有10-20%效能回報, 有些甚至不到, 視乎自己能力而買之, 不要只受廣告影響。
6)另一方面亦給予一些資金不足的朋友們注射了一劑很有力的強心針, 對他來說, 沒有什麼名牌不名牌, 只有適用和實用的。
[ 本帖最后由 himhui 于 2006-5-19 15:58 编辑 ]
