一位SAW新手錄的DEMO, 樂器全一人包辦
一位瑞典 的SAW新手夠忙, 一個人彈奏了鼓, BASS, 結它錄了首DEMO, 聽聽這位新手的表現。
http://www.anatholibulkin.com/sound/the_chicken.mp3
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http://www.anatholibulkin.com/sound/the_chicken.mp3
他 (Anatholi)錄音的設備:-
tfpro 16x micpre (ted fletcher who worked for joemeek before)
2 Soundscape Apogee 896 I/O
2 Soundscape Mixtreme 192
杷信大家應該也聽到有失真的地方, dominic 就提議了以下的:-
Anatholi,
It depends on your setup where you need to look for overs. In my case, when I'm using a Behringer ADA8000 and Digiface, I can ignore the mic pre and A/D lights and just check the SAW meters. If they clip, the levels are too hot, if they don't it's ok. With other setups, I have to check the Mic Pre, convertor control panel, but generally SAW won't clip.
You will likely have a problem if you have a mismatch of pro and consumer levels (+4, -10). What are you using?
Dominic
[ 本帖最后由 himhui 于 07-4-5 12:56 编辑 ]
tfpro 16x micpre (ted fletcher who worked for joemeek before)
2 Soundscape Apogee 896 I/O
2 Soundscape Mixtreme 192
杷信大家應該也聽到有失真的地方, dominic 就提議了以下的:-
Anatholi,
It depends on your setup where you need to look for overs. In my case, when I'm using a Behringer ADA8000 and Digiface, I can ignore the mic pre and A/D lights and just check the SAW meters. If they clip, the levels are too hot, if they don't it's ok. With other setups, I have to check the Mic Pre, convertor control panel, but generally SAW won't clip.
You will likely have a problem if you have a mismatch of pro and consumer levels (+4, -10). What are you using?
Dominic
[ 本帖最后由 himhui 于 07-4-5 12:56 编辑 ]
Anatholi,
The TFPro has an output level of upto +22 dBu - this is pretty hot, so it may be overloading the convertors without clipping itself. The Apogee has a jumper setting for max input level - you could check this, it can be set to +24, +20 or +5dBu. Clearly +5 would be distorting a lot of the time - that would be the 'consumer' level setting. If it is set to +20, change it to +24, that way, you can't overdrive it with the Mic Pre.
Once it's out of the Apogee and into the Mixtreme, you shouldn't have any problem, once it's in the digital domain, you shouldn't have to change anything. So I'm guessing the Mixtreme should be set to unity gain.
I don't have experience of the Mixtreme , so I can't tell you what settings to use, maybe others can chip in. For myself, I never attenuate or change the SAW inputs, I just twiddle the mic gain until I get a reasonable signal.
The other thing to remember is that, especially if you are recording at 24 bit, you don't need to get the levels too hot to get a good sound. Just hitting -8 to -6 on the SAW meters is usually good enough. You've got a pretty high class chain, no need to worry about maximising levels too much.
Dominic
The TFPro has an output level of upto +22 dBu - this is pretty hot, so it may be overloading the convertors without clipping itself. The Apogee has a jumper setting for max input level - you could check this, it can be set to +24, +20 or +5dBu. Clearly +5 would be distorting a lot of the time - that would be the 'consumer' level setting. If it is set to +20, change it to +24, that way, you can't overdrive it with the Mic Pre.
Once it's out of the Apogee and into the Mixtreme, you shouldn't have any problem, once it's in the digital domain, you shouldn't have to change anything. So I'm guessing the Mixtreme should be set to unity gain.
I don't have experience of the Mixtreme , so I can't tell you what settings to use, maybe others can chip in. For myself, I never attenuate or change the SAW inputs, I just twiddle the mic gain until I get a reasonable signal.
The other thing to remember is that, especially if you are recording at 24 bit, you don't need to get the levels too hot to get a good sound. Just hitting -8 to -6 on the SAW meters is usually good enough. You've got a pretty high class chain, no need to worry about maximising levels too much.
Dominic
呵呵，既然这样说了，也只好接搏了
翻得不好，请大家指正。
他 (Anatholi)錄音的設備:-
tfpro 16x micpre (ted fletcher设计的16路前置话放，曾在joemeek公司任职)，想了解更多有关TFPro 16x，请点击以下链接：http://www.tfpro.com/products/info/2.php?seereview=1
2 Soundscape Apogee 896 I/O
2 Soundscape Mixtreme 192
杷信大家應該也聽到有失真的地方, dominic 就提議了以下的:-
Anatholi,
It depends on your setup where you need to look for overs. In my case, when I'm using a Behringer ADA8000 and Digiface, I can ignore the mic pre and A/D lights and just check the SAW meters. If they clip, the levels are too hot, if they don't it's ok. With other setups, I have to check the Mic Pre, convertor control panel, but generally SAW won't clip. You will likely have a problem if you have a mismatch of pro and consumer levels (+4, -10). What are you using?
我想你首先应该检查一下你的设备的设置。对于我自己来说，假若我是使用Behringer ADA8000和Digiface的话，我会忽略前置话放和A/D的电平指示灯，而只去关注和检查SAW的电平指示。如果电平过大, 过载爆音的情况出现，否则就是没问题了。如果使用的是其它的一些设备，我必先检查一下前置话放，转换器的控制面板等等，但通常SAW一般是不会发生过载或爆音的情况。假若你在选择专业和民用的音量设置上不配合(+4, -10). ，则有可能导致一些问题的发生。
The TFPro has an output level of upto +22 dBu - this is pretty hot, so it may be overloading the convertors without clipping itself. The Apogee has a jumper setting for max input level - you could check this, it can be set to +24, +20 or +5dBu. Clearly +5 would be distorting a lot of the time - that would be the 'consumer' level setting. If it is set to +20, change it to +24, that way, you can't overdrive it with the Mic Pre.
TFPro的其中一路输出电平超过+22dBu，这个值相其实相当的大，因此，尽管它在转换过程中发生过载, 却没有出现削波。Apogee本身带有一个跳线，用于设置最大的输入电平，你可以检一下这里，它可以被设置为+24, +20或+5dBu。很明显，+5dBu的值已让大部分的时间里出现失真了，毕竟+5是民用级的电平设置。如果它被设为+20dBu, 然后再将其改为+24dBu，那么你的前置话放将不会让它发生过载的情况。
Once it's out of the Apogee and into the Mixtreme, you shouldn't have any problem, once it's in the digital domain, you shouldn't have to change anything. So I'm guessing the Mixtreme should be set to unity gain.
一旦信号从Apogee输出到Mixtreme，你便不会有什么问题了，因为是数字设备，故不必改动什么。我想应该是Mixtreme把它们的增益值（gain）都统一了。
I don't have experience of the Mixtreme , so I can't tell you what settings to use, maybe others can chip in. For myself, I never attenuate or change the SAW inputs, I just twiddle the mic gain until I get a reasonable signal.
我没有使用过Mixtreme的经验，因此我没法告诉你如何去设置或使用，或许其它使用过这个设备的朋友能为你解答。对于我自己来说，我基本上不会去调低SAW的输入电平，我只会调整话筒的增益值（gain），以获取最理想、最合适的电平信号。
The other thing to remember is that, especially if you are recording at 24 bit, you don't need to get the levels too hot to get a good sound. Just hitting -8 to -6 on the SAW meters is usually good enough. You've got a pretty high class chain, no need to worry about maximising levels too much.
另外还有一件事请记住，特别是当你在录制精度为24bit的声音时，无须加大电平来获得更好的声音，在SAW里调整到大约-8到-6dB就足够了，已经拥有很高级的串联设备，不必担心去把电平调得太大。
Dominic
[ 本帖最后由 kimi 于 07-4-5 14:58 编辑 ]
翻得不好，请大家指正。他 (Anatholi)錄音的設備:-
tfpro 16x micpre (ted fletcher设计的16路前置话放，曾在joemeek公司任职)，想了解更多有关TFPro 16x，请点击以下链接：http://www.tfpro.com/products/info/2.php?seereview=1
2 Soundscape Apogee 896 I/O
2 Soundscape Mixtreme 192
杷信大家應該也聽到有失真的地方, dominic 就提議了以下的:-
Anatholi,
It depends on your setup where you need to look for overs. In my case, when I'm using a Behringer ADA8000 and Digiface, I can ignore the mic pre and A/D lights and just check the SAW meters. If they clip, the levels are too hot, if they don't it's ok. With other setups, I have to check the Mic Pre, convertor control panel, but generally SAW won't clip. You will likely have a problem if you have a mismatch of pro and consumer levels (+4, -10). What are you using?
我想你首先应该检查一下你的设备的设置。对于我自己来说，假若我是使用Behringer ADA8000和Digiface的话，我会忽略前置话放和A/D的电平指示灯，而只去关注和检查SAW的电平指示。如果电平过大, 过载爆音的情况出现，否则就是没问题了。如果使用的是其它的一些设备，我必先检查一下前置话放，转换器的控制面板等等，但通常SAW一般是不会发生过载或爆音的情况。假若你在选择专业和民用的音量设置上不配合(+4, -10). ，则有可能导致一些问题的发生。
The TFPro has an output level of upto +22 dBu - this is pretty hot, so it may be overloading the convertors without clipping itself. The Apogee has a jumper setting for max input level - you could check this, it can be set to +24, +20 or +5dBu. Clearly +5 would be distorting a lot of the time - that would be the 'consumer' level setting. If it is set to +20, change it to +24, that way, you can't overdrive it with the Mic Pre.
TFPro的其中一路输出电平超过+22dBu，这个值相其实相当的大，因此，尽管它在转换过程中发生过载, 却没有出现削波。Apogee本身带有一个跳线，用于设置最大的输入电平，你可以检一下这里，它可以被设置为+24, +20或+5dBu。很明显，+5dBu的值已让大部分的时间里出现失真了，毕竟+5是民用级的电平设置。如果它被设为+20dBu, 然后再将其改为+24dBu，那么你的前置话放将不会让它发生过载的情况。
Once it's out of the Apogee and into the Mixtreme, you shouldn't have any problem, once it's in the digital domain, you shouldn't have to change anything. So I'm guessing the Mixtreme should be set to unity gain.
一旦信号从Apogee输出到Mixtreme，你便不会有什么问题了，因为是数字设备，故不必改动什么。我想应该是Mixtreme把它们的增益值（gain）都统一了。
I don't have experience of the Mixtreme , so I can't tell you what settings to use, maybe others can chip in. For myself, I never attenuate or change the SAW inputs, I just twiddle the mic gain until I get a reasonable signal.
我没有使用过Mixtreme的经验，因此我没法告诉你如何去设置或使用，或许其它使用过这个设备的朋友能为你解答。对于我自己来说，我基本上不会去调低SAW的输入电平，我只会调整话筒的增益值（gain），以获取最理想、最合适的电平信号。
The other thing to remember is that, especially if you are recording at 24 bit, you don't need to get the levels too hot to get a good sound. Just hitting -8 to -6 on the SAW meters is usually good enough. You've got a pretty high class chain, no need to worry about maximising levels too much.
另外还有一件事请记住，特别是当你在录制精度为24bit的声音时，无须加大电平来获得更好的声音，在SAW里调整到大约-8到-6dB就足够了，已经拥有很高级的串联设备，不必担心去把电平调得太大。
Dominic
[ 本帖最后由 kimi 于 07-4-5 14:58 编辑 ]
原帖由 himhui 于 2007-4-13 18:49 发表
可能是 jms 的 lace , 不過也就是 lame 的解碼。
http://www.audiobar.net/viewthread.php?tid=182411&pid=1472788&page=1&extra=#pid1472788
这个上说可能是FHG编码器~
himhui大哥听过用过这个没？