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#1 08-6-1 21:24

himhui大哥指教

我想问saw压缩的参数值跟waves的不一样,应该怎样换算?
还有,都说saw的压缩好,处理痕迹不会很明显,那我怎样判断我设置的各项参数是否合适?
最后,哪有saw自带效果器的预设下载(Compress/EQ/Delay/etc.)

谢谢~~~

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#2 08-6-1 22:19
用任何 COMP , 首先要看電平(波形)來判斷 THRESHOLD 的設置位置, , 然後調 ATTACK 和RELEASE 的時間、RATIO, 再看GAIN REDUCTION (GR) 減了多少

最終以聽為準....(其實最早應該以聽去判斷是否須要用COMP)

[ 本帖最后由 himhui 于 08-6-1 22:59 编辑 ]

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#3 08-6-1 23:05
对于初学者,总是喜欢按别人建议的参数去设置均衡压缩.这实际是很不正确的,可以看,但是只是去参考,为什么他这么做,有什么好处,然后再结合自己的实际情况来设置.

耳朵的判断是唯一可靠的标准.也就是说听着合适就好.

不要以为大师预设是捷径,相信自己才是捷径.

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#4 08-6-2 00:39
hi carman,Are you WangJun?
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#5 08-6-2 13:52
还有,都说saw的压缩好,处理痕迹不会很明显,那我怎样判断我设置的各项参数是否合适?

压缩的效果存在,但听上去很自然,没有不适的感觉,那么应该就达到你说的合适啦~~向着你想要的效果调,应该是一个不错的指导方法,某些时候比参考大师的参考数据更有用。

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#6 08-6-3 12:39
原帖由 himhui 于 08-6-1 22:19 发表
用任何 COMP , 首先要看電平(波形)來判斷 THRESHOLD 的設置位置, , 然後調 ATTACK 和RELEASE 的時間、RATIO, 再看GAIN REDUCTION (GR) 減了多少

最終以聽為準....(其實最早應該以聽去判斷是否須要用COMP)


thanks~~我看了几个国外的混音视频教程, 除Pad以外所有tracks几乎都使用了不止一个压缩和限制哦~~~~

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#7 08-6-3 12:40

回复 margindge 的帖子

hi carman,Are you WangJun?


有人认头啦~~

433
#8 08-6-3 12:57

回复 Ying 的帖子

还有,都说saw的压缩好,处理痕迹不会很明显,那我怎样判断我设置的各项参数是否合适? ...


Thanks~实际上, 像attack和release我在二三十毫秒以内的调整听不出明显的区别, 还有就是ratio, 例如3.59:1,4.03:1,4.68:1区别也不大

是我的监听系统太差[Yamaha的MSP5],还是我的耳朵不行? 我觉得saw还是比较简单明了~很多参数都是整数, 不像waves的精确到小数

点后两位,有必要吗?

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#9 08-6-3 13:11

回复 margindge 的帖子

对于初学者,总是喜欢按别人建议的参数去设置均衡压缩.这实际是很不正确的,可以看,但是 ...


对啊,初学者没有好的声音和好的效果的概念与经验,只能乱调,很容易就钻牛角尖,你知道,一个效果器捣鼓半天以为很好了,可跟人

家大师的一比,哇~~~自己弄得真难听!最后都懵了~~~没信心做好了!!!

不过跟用Nuendo混音比起来,Saw给了我信心,同样的工程,声音真的好很多~~~~

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#10 08-6-3 14:18

回复 carman 的帖子

Thanks~实际上, 像attack和release我在二三十毫秒以内的调整听不出明显的区别, 还有就 ...


有差别的,但这个要看声音文件本身,有的文件就算是50毫秒以来都不是太大,但有些就是短短的5毫秒就能听出变化啦;而RATIO也是相同的原因。

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#11 08-6-3 14:39
另外,CARMEN同学,效果器的使用就好像MAKEUP(化妆);

天生丽质的,不化妆也非常漂亮,但是如果配合高超的化妆技术,适当的修饰会让你更艳光四射。

但如果天生就没有一副完美的脸蛋,那么高超的化妆技术就能让你的脸蛋无限的接近完美。


加效果器也一样,如果一支优秀的乐队在一次优秀的录音中完成了DEMO,就算你不加效果器,他也是优秀的;并不是说任何

情况下都必须用到效果器。

国外的教程的确会在轨道上加上不少于一个压缩器或者LIMITER,我不知道你看的是不是charles dye的教程,但无论如何你就当这是charles dye的化妆方法,你可以参考可以学习,但不必过度相信,就好像每期VOGUE杂志上的化妆方向都有不同的变化,你挑选适合你自己的;

至于每一个轨道应该加多少个,我觉得你应该熟悉驾驭这些效果器,不然的话就算只用一个也能破坏你的轨道。
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#12 08-6-4 05:16
原帖由 Ying 于 08-6-3 14:39 发表
另外,CARMEN同学,效果器的使用就好像MAKEUP(化妆);

天生丽质的,不化妆也非常漂亮,但是如果配合高超的化妆技术,适当的修饰会让你更艳光四射。

但如果天生就没有一副完美的脸蛋,那么高超的化妆技术就能 ...



是的,就是charles dye的那个视频,看来鼓和bass在混音中真是非常重要~~~

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#13 08-6-4 20:32
這裡有 Bruce Swedien 的一篇有關 transient 的文章, 大家不妨參考, 他是其中一位不喜歡用comp 的大師..


When my mixes go to the mastering room, they don't need much. They are ready!!! Of course that sounds a bit egotistical, but I always strive for that...
If you can, ask Bernie Grundman...
I'm sorry, but it sounds to me like you are listening to what your pals tell you to do! All that compression and limiting is ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY!!! It only minimizes the drama of the music!!! At least that's what I think....
If you don't allow those transients to live, you are destroying the most dramatic element in "Pop" music!!! Here's what I am talking about....
I am frequently asked to define transient response, as it applies to music recording. Here are some of my toughts on this very important subject.
First let’s try to define the basic issue.
A- Transient response in electronic recording equipment, is the ability of a device or electronic component, to handle and faithfully reproduce sudden waveforms called transients. A transient is a short duration, high level sonic energy peak, such as a hand-clap ot snare drum hit. Any sound source in the percussion family requires excellent transient response in the recording equipment to sound real.
B- To me, a sound transient is the steep wave-front of the sound. In other words, the transient of the sound is the first impact of the sound before the sound falls and begins to decay, or die.
Good transient response is especially important when recording acoustic instruments
. This is one case where it’s extremely important for one to have equipment that is able to capture as much of the initial transient as possible, and all it’s accompanying delicate details.
In the music that I am normally involved in, I have always felt that good transient response is one of the very most important components of the recorded image. I would even go so far as to say that transient response has at it’s core a direct relationship to the emotional impact of a recording. Particularily in the main genre’s of music that I record.... namely R & B and ‘Pop’ recordings.
Faithful recording and reproduction of sound source transients make the strong rhythmic elements of music much more dramatic. These are the elements that are so important to R & B and ‘Pop’ recordings, such as the ‘Kick’ drun, the ‘Snare’ drum, hand-claps, percussion...etc.
I think that well recorded transients give R & B and ‘Pop’ recordings a feeling of tremendous energy.
To me, compression and limiting diminish the drama of sound source transients in recorded music. Along that same line of thinking, I should also point out that I am not a big fan of over-compression and over-limiting anywhere during the recording process.
To me, when R & B and ‘Pop’ recordings are over-compressed and over-limited they lack the extemely fundamental qualities of both primitive energy and smooth high-frequencies.
The reason that over-compressed and over-limited recordings lose high end energy, is that much of the sound energy in a recording is concentrated in the lower frequencies. These low-end signals will negatively influence a wide-band compressor’s operation, causing higher frequencies to be attenuated during peaks in level, making the music sound dull and lifeless.
Personally, I love transients and what they do to dramatize music. let them live! If a recording is over-compressed, it will always be over-compressed. In other words, it will sound dull and lifeless forever!

[ 本帖最后由 himhui 于 08-6-4 22:34 编辑 ]

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#14 08-6-5 09:15
Bruce Swedien在很多文章中经常说:Don't let the technology control you~

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#15 08-6-6 01:15
说得太对了~~~~but  i can't help myself to make up the RMS at least -10db~~~~

ultimately all the sounds become flat & dull in the mixing!!!
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