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Alright, listen! Boston第三波 新的音乐会 分享无调性对位写法 及勃拉姆斯的作曲建议

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#1 15-4-27 12:51

Alright, listen! Boston第三波 新的音乐会 分享无调性对位写法 及勃拉姆斯的作曲建议

本帖最后由 笑一 于 15-4-27 13:51 编辑

在这波士顿的第三年,弦乐团专辑终于搞完,同时又写了这篇没有调的钢琴,也是为在这美帝装一个作曲家慢慢做准备。
Vuk Kulenovic对这部的评价是:很棒的对位,听感像Scriabin,又像Schoenberg,我听了那高兴,当晚的勋伯格主题音乐也就没去。

整首就发:


全篇发个剪辑:


钢琴:Ring Lo
作曲:笑一

感谢!!

(注:未听之前作品的朋友请搜第一、二波 —— 咱可以写有调的:>。)


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#2 15-4-27 13:01
本帖最后由 笑一 于 15-4-27 13:38 编辑


我觉得和声像是个美国人,用现成的面包坯子来做汉堡;对位像是个法国人,连面包都是自己烤的。

而最喜欢的一句对于和声的解释是来自纸牌屋,Kevin Spacey:" Harmony that’s the word that’s stuck in my mind, its not about what’s lasting or permanent, it’s about individual voices coming together for a moment … and that moment lasts the length of a breath…"
"没有任何事物是能够永存的,就像和声——只不过是几个唱歌的小伙伴唱到各自声部的某个音,停留仅仅一口气长的时间,所构成的。"

在调性音乐里,不和-Xie音做经过音;
在无调性音乐里,咱们试着把和-Xie音做经过音;
罗马奖得主Larry Bell形容这件事情的原话"it's upside down":



于是就有了第一首中那些三声部、四声部对位:





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#3 15-4-27 13:29
本帖最后由 笑一 于 15-4-27 13:48 编辑

曾经有个乐迷他叫Arthur,一百年前是Brahms, Strauss, Puccini等大牌的好朋友,成天与他们聊天喝酒泡星巴克,于是就写了这本意义深远的小册子。(快跟我闲聊,你将来也能写一本!)







一位老教授Larry Solomon有个网站,归纳了这本小册子中勃拉姆斯对于作曲的建议,希望对大家有帮助!

1. When you study music, the most important thing to learn is Strict Counterpoint.

2. Writing variations is something good for the beginner.

3. Usually the best ideas flow from the hand or mind without any particular effort, these are the ideas that will endure in your compositions.

4. Never begin working the out of a composition before the whole thing has taken definite form as an outline either on paper or in your head. When ideas come to you, go for a walk, then you will discover that the thing you thought was a complete thought, was actually only the beginning of one.
   
5. In the sonata form, the piece must have a logical structure. It is not enough to have a good idea here and there. The sonata is not when one has merely combined several ideas through the outward form of the sonata, but that, on the contrary, the sonata form must emerge of necessity from the idea.

6. When you are composing a piece, your bass should be vibrant, not sleepy or lazy. Your harmonies should sing and not be weak.

7. Harmony should not only be the accompaniment of the piece, but help and allow the idea to develop, so to speak, to help it emerge clearly and powerfully.

8. In regular composition, and song writing, the determining role of the melody and of clearly perceived basses created in good counterpoint should be a must.

9. When you examine a piece, read only the vocal line separately and or the bass separately, so this way you can see if your melody is dreary or your bass boring. The determining role of the melody and of clearly perceived basses created in good counterpoint should be a requirement. The accompaniment should be a equal, even independent, element and sometimes to move it canonically in relation to the voice. The canonic form never develops into the controlling element, but only as a means of increasing the charm of the vocal melody. And the melody will always break the form when its powerful and sublime flow so dictates.

10. Combining variety (diversity) with unity can be difficult. It is accomplished by transforming the basic motive more or less recognizably through rhythmic alterations; through displacement into other chordal inversions, and through exact or retrograde inversions, thereby you create themes and melodies of the most extreme contrast.

11. Extension of the subsidiary motives can be done by means of augmentation.

12. To compose a long adagio is the most difficult of all.

13. Unified modulation does not in any way preclude the use of even the most distant keys. Quite the contrary these keys become distant only by virtue of the fact that another key governs; this is what gives them their expressive power. They say something different; they are like the colors of a painting that contrast with the background color and are simultaneously contained and intensified by it.

14. To learn modulation imitate the masters. If Beethoven, Mozart or Haydn go from C Major to E Major, you do the same. In regard to the overall course of the modulation, with the exception of the individual divergences, the guiding principle is "The straight path is the best path".

15. You must learn how to work. You must write a lot, day after day, and not think that what you are writing always has to be something significant. As far as songs go, you will write many songs before a usable one emerges.

16. It is rare that a piece, once it has been completed, becomes better through revision; usually it gets worse.

17. You should not always trust your ideas. The pen is not only for writing, but also for deleting. But be very cautious. Once something has been written down it is hard to get rid of. But if you have come to the conclusion that it will not do; even if it's good in itself- then don't think about it for long; simply strike it out! How often one attempts to save such a passage and thus ruins the entire thing, not to mention becoming a slave to the idea instead of being the master. Sometimes passages like this also serve to conceal the troublemaking elements whose presence you might have intuited but would have not looked for it there at all. Corrections usually should have to do with particular details of the composition.

18. Clearly imitation is the best way to understand how music is written and structured. A beginning composer should follow the methods of composition which are set by the masters like Brahms, Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, etc,. This way you can understand the structure and apply this to your own work. Every composer takes ideas from other composers, its not that your going to use that idea note for note in your piece. On the contrary, it's the way you manipulate or change the idea and develop it, which reveals the genius in a composer and his composition. When you compose, it is good for a beginner to copy or follow a particular structure of a piece or a style of a composer; this way you can discover how a composition is created or constructed and apply this to your own ideas. By doing this you will eventually break out of that mold and with a clear understanding develop your own style of composition or a ingenious variation of an older one with unprecedented new insight.

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#4 15-4-27 13:44
审美没到啊~

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